replacing drugs

[Justin]

hello everybody

for the past few years i have been using drugs as my main medium for spiritual exploration. i am reaching a point where i need to stop drug use and i'm wondering what suggestions people in this community can give me to replace them. in other words i am still in need of altered states of awareness and am searching for advice on other mediums.

[Venger Satanis]

what else have you tried? there are different forms of meditation, of course. astral travel, physical exhaustion, sleep deprivation, Self-Remembering via the 4th way, and various intellectual approaches to spiritual exploration.

VS

[Justin]

i've been trying meditation and also binaural beats. does anyone have any experience with physical exhaustion? dreaming has been my main source lately, i've been trying to fly in dreams and hope to do more when i learn to go lucid easier.

[Venger Satanis]

i usually find working out to be exhaustive. don't kill yourself, but an hour of intense weights training combined with a magical mindset could do wonders... plus it's good for your body.

VS

[Priapus23]

What type of meditation have you tried? It can basikally be split into two distinkt paths (as kan most other methods for altered states): Inhibitory and Excititory.
Inhibitory methods inklude Hatha Yoga (forcing yourself to remain motionless) and astral travel (where you move using thee mind rather than thee body).
Excititory methods include Pranik Yoga (stimulating thee body through breathing exercises) and Glossalia (uttering frantik gibberish in a fervent manner).
One main point I will mention is pratice any method regularly and it will work. As Crowley said - 'Invoke often!'.
I have been researching this topik for many years (both with drugs and without) and have too much to mention on this subjekt but I think I will save it for a blog...
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[Justin]

i have been using breathing exercises as well as remaining motionless with my eyes closed. have yet to achieve astral travel. i have heard of Gloassalia but i haven't really used it i am interested in it however. i was reading about the mystic Osho and what he called dynamic meditation. i have attention deficit disorder so that has made me think that the dynamic style may work better for me.

[Priapus23]

Aha! Attention Deficit Disorder you say? I personally kall it Attention Defecit Hyperactivity SYNDROME and I too have it...I say syndrome rather than disorder as it isn't a disorder but it is a whole bunch of symptoms...I have found that it kinda gives you a shortkut with some praktices like hatha yoga as our bodies start to skream I WANT TO MOVE waaaay before other people...hehe...Thee mind will thrash this way and that trying to get something...anything into aktion and when it kan't it will find another avenue...Glossalia should work well...I find it very easy to work myself into a 'fervent' state of mind (have to try to kontain it most of thee time rather than have problems invoking it..haha..). Thee same goes for pranayama and other breathing exercises...I will get in touch with you sooon (maybe not till thee weekend) to chat about some of this if you like in a bit more detail...Oh and I also disagree with thee 'attention deficit' part...Do you find when it's something you are aktually interested in that you hyper-fokus on it? That kan help too...Disorder indeed...pah... ;)

[Justin]

i had some nice experiences with hatha yoga i think it might be my favorite form i've yet tried. i was listening to z'ev and it really was working well, the music started to sound different the longer i sat there.

ever since i got off amphetamines i haven't been able to hyper-foccus. add has given me a lot of crappy experiences so i'm sticking with disorder. but maybe i just haven't learned to control it yet.

[Priapus23]

Z'ev is great to use whilst trying these praktices...I went to a short show he performed a few years bak at thee Occultre festival...Thee venue was blakked out and there were mats on thee floor for people to lay on whilst he performed...It was amazing! I almost immediately left my body and floated up to thee ceiling. Thee show lasted about 15-20mins (perfekt for this exercise) and he was performing them pretty much all day with 1/2 hr break inbetween...I ditched every other seminar (other than Ramsey Dukes) and went to pretty much every performance. By thee end Z'ev was saving me a mat and even stayed bak to chat with me afterwards about my experiences (I started to use thee time for an Invokation of Thoth) and a detailed chat about his RythMajik method, etc...Even mentioned me on his webpage...hehe...
There are many Muziks out there that kan be used for these purposes - I even went through a stage of using foreign radio stations as I found that these akted in thee same way as listening back to 'Barbarous Invokations' as my mind went krazy bekause it kouldn't understand thee words - You start to listen to thee tone, thee rhythm, etc and slowly bekome almost hypnotised by thee utterances...They kould've been talking about thee latest 'pop sensation' or a 'kutest baby kompetition' for all I know! Doesn't work thee same in my native language as you bekome fokused on what is being said...
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[Justin]

i have started using z'ev's rhythmajik just getting into it but its very hypnotic. i wish i could see z'ev live i have this strange obsession with his work. it sounds awesome. i've also been using kk null (he has worked with z'ev) i got some great meditations out of his music. felt like i was floating immediately with that stuff.

[Yahn'ikthorn]

What kind of drugs have you been using? If the answer is "all of them", what are you most addicted to either physically or psychologically?

Try forcing yourself to be sober for a month or a few. You will probably notice very interesting states of insanity and mania as your system cleans itself. Or depression or anger or psychosis... or all of them.

Short answer: find a smart, hot and (almost) SOBER girlfriend who loves Lovecraft and weird things. Worked for me!

[Justin]

main drugs i was addicted to were marijuana and amphetamines (not meth). also salvia, lsd, and mushrooms. i have been sober for six months, i'm serious about it because of how sick the uppers made me. the first four months were hell. my dreams have increased a hundred fold. no psychosis haha, i was closer to that getting high.

in terms of the girlfriend thing, that would be amazing, but its gonna be tricky, weird girls who are sober are hard to find. at least for me.

[Yahn'ikthorn]

Well, you're already past the worst part if you've been sober for half a year. :)

Good Luck staying that way!

Uppers indeed make you (and me) a sick fucking bastard...